What kind of work? Literary? Informative? Aesthetic? Physical construct? I am rather neurotic (just even answering the question!) and have never produced any thing that could be considered as work. Rather, deeds.
“Individuals who score high on neuroticism are more likely than average to be moody and to experience such feelings as anxiety, worry, fear, anger, frustration, envy, jealousy, guilt, depressed mood, and loneliness.” (Wikipedia)
If I take into consideration this definition and if I look at “a good work” as succeeding in whatever we want to, I incline to say no, a good work doesn’t have a neuroticism basis because people with a higher level of neuroticism tend to feel these negative emotions more. Because of this, they are more inclined to quit whatever they want to do.
Suppose you a swim student.
You have strong _anxiety_ about recent competition.
You are very _worrying_ about your recent result
You have _fear_ you will loose
You have _anger_ about himself that you a weak
You have _frustration_ …
_envy_
_jealousy_, guilt, depressed etc.
This is a norm for sport life. This is sporting motivation, (may be there is good right motivation but you can easily imagine such sportsman).
More than it, your Coach will urge you to feel all these feelings:
“Hey, look at yourself you are sissy you can’t ….. and other can do it…..”.
Your Coach or you yourself get fire for frustration, jealousy, guilt and even depression.
Sure, but I don’t think that’s the main reason for that swimmer to do a good job. It’s not based on it. Yes, it can be part of it, but I don’t think it’s based on it.
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I think you are referring to competitiveness rather than neuroses. There is aggression, ambition and also dedication. They are not always the same but can be seen as being similar.
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> with a higher level of neuroticism tend to feel these negative emotions more. Because of this, they are more inclined to quit
– I’am not sure. Suppose this are boxing lessons.
Person A (without neurosis) gets smacker and quits boxing forever because he doesn’t see any sense in getting pain in such quantities.
Person B (with neurosis) get blows by blows and says: “It’s Ok, I will survive and fulfill my Goal”. Care not a damn about Time Health Money and other resources.
It’s a very important for Person B to get the Goal it’s his neurotic life Goal.
He sacrifices himself for sake of his neurosis.
Because he is a slave of his neurotic obsession.
(And healthy Person will not do such things. Healthy Person will not do his job “well done”).
If the goal is to be a boxer, that’s the motivation. The pain is part of that process. Person A just doesn’t want that bad enough to overcome the pain and Person B does. It will be anxiety there? Sure! It will be frustration? Sure!
But let’s think about a great doctor surgeon. Does he/she need to feel anxiety and frustration during that operation so it will be perfect? No. It has been part of the process of getting that great? Of course. But does that mean the pain is always there or that is needs to be? I don’t think so. I believe we can do great things without pain too, but you’re right that most of the time is part of it.
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Does a great psychologist needs all this pain to be great with his customers? No. On the contraire. He/she needs little to no emotions to be able to be great and to truly empathize.
Cloths are always there when we do something a great work, but they aren’t necessary.
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Maybe it partly depends on the work. I am extremely neurotic (moody, anxious, depressed mood, worry, fear, etc) most of the time. And it’s precisely those traits that have driven me to build several businesses over the years. My neuroses make it impossible for me to work for anyone but myself.
Imagine you are a child you are going to become a good swimmer, boxer, runner, math or somebody else. Why will you work hard? Why will you exert all your powers?
It’s like western duel. One cowboy has a very strong reason to kill other and other – not.
Super-goal, super-motivation.
You probably would be ready to suffer to take some pain if you want Gran Prix.
Suppose you are a boxer. I see next chain:
Pain – Motivation – Pain – Motivation – Win.
You probably should have much pain before “boxing” and during “boxing”.
Something very unhealthy.
It’s like street fighter. He is the best because he had the greatest pain and get motivation via it.
So should we suffer for better living?
(No pain no gain – no neurosis no work done).
Let’s not confuse motivation with neuroticism. Motivation is based on a desire to get somewhere which it will be good for that person. Neuroticism is a personality trait related to those feelings mentioned. Pain is different than neuroticism. And neuroticism is different than neurosis (which is a class of functional mental disorders).
> Let’s not confuse motivation with neuroticism.
– That’s the problem. To find “good motivation” and delve it.
> Motivation is based on a desire to get somewhere which it will be good for that person.
– Yes, but I want to say that one gets super-motivation after some trauma.
Suppose one wants to be a boxer? Probably: 1. He had some painful experience. He wants a revenge. 2. He unable to be inside some group. referential group. He unable to get some place there without physical force. 3. He thinks he can get big easy money by boxing.
The more neurotical these things are the more powerful motivation he gets.
It’s like in western movies. Family should be killed, blood should be spoiled to make a good shooter. No tragedy, no strong motivation, no happy ending. This is the law of the genre.
If you are writing movie about “great psychologist” you can’t have some one young happy well-balanced specialist without problems. Probably the plot will be: there were great inner problems in the family, may be some premature deaths or deceases. So young man decided to become “a psychologist”. He had not success during his education he was last in his course. He had mocks and jokes about himself. He become very angry with his classmates, teachers and the system in general. He decided to prove them that they are idiots (and he is a genius). So he began “His Campf”. So I see the movie story about yours successive great psychologist.
I am not argue. I think about “right” and “wrong” motivation.
> Pain is different than neuroticism.
Pain… you gave good definition about neurosis. I guess we can call some cases as “mental pain” (or physical).
For example, I guess Sigmund Freud, a great psychologist, had much pain inside him.
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I totally agree that pain can create great motivation. I even wrote a post to sustain this idea. I’m just saying that I believe it’s not ALWAYS the case.
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I dunno how to edit my posts 🙁 So many mistakes. spilled, is, etc. I beg pardon.
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Unfortunately, WordPress doesn’t allow people to edit their comments.
Great topic, btw! It really puts things in perspective.
What kind of work? Literary? Informative? Aesthetic? Physical construct? I am rather neurotic (just even answering the question!) and have never produced any thing that could be considered as work. Rather, deeds.
Need more data in order to answer this one.
The only thing I can say about that is that whatever I decide to do, I get really hyper-focused on it.
How long does it last?
Usually, until something else takes priority.
“Individuals who score high on neuroticism are more likely than average to be moody and to experience such feelings as anxiety, worry, fear, anger, frustration, envy, jealousy, guilt, depressed mood, and loneliness.” (Wikipedia)
If I take into consideration this definition and if I look at “a good work” as succeeding in whatever we want to, I incline to say no, a good work doesn’t have a neuroticism basis because people with a higher level of neuroticism tend to feel these negative emotions more. Because of this, they are more inclined to quit whatever they want to do.
Suppose you a swim student.
You have strong _anxiety_ about recent competition.
You are very _worrying_ about your recent result
You have _fear_ you will loose
You have _anger_ about himself that you a weak
You have _frustration_ …
_envy_
_jealousy_, guilt, depressed etc.
This is a norm for sport life. This is sporting motivation, (may be there is good right motivation but you can easily imagine such sportsman).
More than it, your Coach will urge you to feel all these feelings:
“Hey, look at yourself you are sissy you can’t ….. and other can do it…..”.
Your Coach or you yourself get fire for frustration, jealousy, guilt and even depression.
Am I right?
Sure, but I don’t think that’s the main reason for that swimmer to do a good job. It’s not based on it. Yes, it can be part of it, but I don’t think it’s based on it.
I think you are referring to competitiveness rather than neuroses. There is aggression, ambition and also dedication. They are not always the same but can be seen as being similar.
> with a higher level of neuroticism tend to feel these negative emotions more. Because of this, they are more inclined to quit
– I’am not sure. Suppose this are boxing lessons.
Person A (without neurosis) gets smacker and quits boxing forever because he doesn’t see any sense in getting pain in such quantities.
Person B (with neurosis) get blows by blows and says: “It’s Ok, I will survive and fulfill my Goal”. Care not a damn about Time Health Money and other resources.
It’s a very important for Person B to get the Goal it’s his neurotic life Goal.
He sacrifices himself for sake of his neurosis.
Because he is a slave of his neurotic obsession.
(And healthy Person will not do such things. Healthy Person will not do his job “well done”).
If the goal is to be a boxer, that’s the motivation. The pain is part of that process. Person A just doesn’t want that bad enough to overcome the pain and Person B does. It will be anxiety there? Sure! It will be frustration? Sure!
But let’s think about a great doctor surgeon. Does he/she need to feel anxiety and frustration during that operation so it will be perfect? No. It has been part of the process of getting that great? Of course. But does that mean the pain is always there or that is needs to be? I don’t think so. I believe we can do great things without pain too, but you’re right that most of the time is part of it.
Does a great psychologist needs all this pain to be great with his customers? No. On the contraire. He/she needs little to no emotions to be able to be great and to truly empathize.
Cloths are always there when we do something a great work, but they aren’t necessary.
Maybe it partly depends on the work. I am extremely neurotic (moody, anxious, depressed mood, worry, fear, etc) most of the time. And it’s precisely those traits that have driven me to build several businesses over the years. My neuroses make it impossible for me to work for anyone but myself.
It’s awesome if it has driven you to create an environment so you can perform at your best!
maybe it’s a sentimentality that is held up like, ‘look at this crazy beautiful perspective?’
Yes, maybe 🙂
Imagine you are a child you are going to become a good swimmer, boxer, runner, math or somebody else. Why will you work hard? Why will you exert all your powers?
It’s like western duel. One cowboy has a very strong reason to kill other and other – not.
Super-goal, super-motivation.
You probably would be ready to suffer to take some pain if you want Gran Prix.
Suppose you are a boxer. I see next chain:
Pain – Motivation – Pain – Motivation – Win.
You probably should have much pain before “boxing” and during “boxing”.
Something very unhealthy.
It’s like street fighter. He is the best because he had the greatest pain and get motivation via it.
So should we suffer for better living?
(No pain no gain – no neurosis no work done).
Let’s not confuse motivation with neuroticism. Motivation is based on a desire to get somewhere which it will be good for that person. Neuroticism is a personality trait related to those feelings mentioned. Pain is different than neuroticism. And neuroticism is different than neurosis (which is a class of functional mental disorders).
> Let’s not confuse motivation with neuroticism.
– That’s the problem. To find “good motivation” and delve it.
> Motivation is based on a desire to get somewhere which it will be good for that person.
– Yes, but I want to say that one gets super-motivation after some trauma.
Suppose one wants to be a boxer? Probably: 1. He had some painful experience. He wants a revenge. 2. He unable to be inside some group. referential group. He unable to get some place there without physical force. 3. He thinks he can get big easy money by boxing.
The more neurotical these things are the more powerful motivation he gets.
It’s like in western movies. Family should be killed, blood should be spoiled to make a good shooter. No tragedy, no strong motivation, no happy ending. This is the law of the genre.
If you are writing movie about “great psychologist” you can’t have some one young happy well-balanced specialist without problems. Probably the plot will be: there were great inner problems in the family, may be some premature deaths or deceases. So young man decided to become “a psychologist”. He had not success during his education he was last in his course. He had mocks and jokes about himself. He become very angry with his classmates, teachers and the system in general. He decided to prove them that they are idiots (and he is a genius). So he began “His Campf”. So I see the movie story about yours successive great psychologist.
I am not argue. I think about “right” and “wrong” motivation.
> Pain is different than neuroticism.
Pain… you gave good definition about neurosis. I guess we can call some cases as “mental pain” (or physical).
For example, I guess Sigmund Freud, a great psychologist, had much pain inside him.
I totally agree that pain can create great motivation. I even wrote a post to sustain this idea. I’m just saying that I believe it’s not ALWAYS the case.
I dunno how to edit my posts 🙁 So many mistakes. spilled, is, etc. I beg pardon.
Unfortunately, WordPress doesn’t allow people to edit their comments.
Great topic, btw! It really puts things in perspective.
This is a great topic. Thank you.
Thank you for reading! 😀
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